i think president obama's remarks demonstrated why. the notion that north korea cares about its international obligations, quote unquote, or that iran or north korea can be chit-chatted out of their nuclear weapons programs, these are the delusions we've pursued the past ten years and it's no surprise that we are as far behind the eight ball as we are. jenna: as you mentioned after that speech in 2002 north korea went nuclear if you will under president bush in 2006, four years after the axis of evil speech was made. how do we prevent history from repeating itself under the obama administration where we talk about sanctions against iran waoerbgs talk about diplomas see, and iran in several years or sooner goes nuclear. >> let's start with north korea which is the most heavily sanctioned country on earth, it's population perennially near starvation, one of the poorest countries on the planet exploded three nuclear devices and put a payload into space. if they are determined to get to a nuclear capability sanctions of the kind we imposed